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Weird Site Notice on my Stalklist

Is anyone else seeing this? 7 04:00, 27 October 2008 (GMT)

Suggestions!

Hi, everyone! My former wiki's having some sort of crisis so I decided to check back here, and I found that Dom and Chris's articles are simply atrocious compared to Matt's. Does any one mind if this article becomes more like Matt's (with a little gallery at the end and whatnot). And what if we make a little table with all the member's info, like one of the songboxes, but with their info and whatnot. I wouldn't mind putting it together! :D 7 21:29, 25 October 2008 (BST)

Muse member
Name	Unknown
Born	Unknown
Hometown	Unknown
Plays	Unknown
Band members	Unknown
Associated acts	Unknown

Something like this? (You can play with the color/labels/whatever) 7 21:37, 25 October 2008 (BST)

yeah like this idea :) do it! --Wilfio 12:09, 27 October 2008 (GMT)

Coolies. see here: Template:MuseMember -- 7 00:44, 4 November 2008 (GMT)

A bug?

What happened here?... 7 19:09, 11 July 2008 (BST)

There's no link to that page from the gig listings, maybe it's a mistake of some kind that never got deleted. -frozenjakalope 21:13, 11 July 2008 (BST)

Could the same thing happen to the whole site if 'bobbles purges the history logs? - 7 22:25, 11 July 2008 (BST)

Sidebar Songs Link

As you probably already know, the Songs link on the sidebar leads to Category:Songs. Some have suggested that it be changed so it leads to the Song Anthology. Some have even suggested that the link lead to a disambiguation page, allowing the people to choose how they want the list displayed. To finally settle the matter, let's have the first second-ever MuseWiki vote:

Link to Category:Songs	✓ --Tene 22:27, 23 June 2008 (BST) ✓ Z 00:21, 24 June 2008 (BST)
Link to Song Anthology	✓ 7 06:23, 23 June 2008 (BST) ✓ --Wilfio 13:07, 23 June 2008 (BST) ✓ -Regret Tenenbaum 19:45, 23 June 2008 (BST)
Link to disambiguation	✓ -frozenjakalope 22:55, 23 June 2008 (BST) ✓ --Susurr0 12:26, 25 June 2008 (BST)
Other (please specify)

No (to the proposed change). I added the anthology to the front page despite thinking it's worthless for navigation purposes. For a navigation menu however, I wouldn't approve.

And secondly don't say "some say". That is sophism at its most vile. That's what Faux News and the like use for saying "I say". --Tene 22:24, 23 June 2008 (BST)

It wasn't sophism. The "some" he referred to in the first instance was me, and the "some" in the second instance was Sursurr0. That said, having thought about it a little more practically (as opposed to aesthetically), I think a disambiguation would be better, even if only as a compromise. -frozenjakalope 22:55, 23 June 2008 (BST)

In which case state who or how many it is. "Some" has the ambiguity of implying at least a few people. You might think "two say" wouldn't have the same effect, which would be the point.

As for this second proposal, it would be easier to have a link to the anthology in the category page.

Lastly, sorry for being a bit harsh, I'm in a ratty mood at the moment. --Tene 23:17, 23 June 2008 (BST)

I'm undecided. A disambig page would be superfluous though as a link to the other song page can be used. If we can clear up the excess of riffs that have their own song pages I'd say keep things the way they are. ۞

agreed the riffs thing definitely needs sorting out. maybe a tidied up alphabetical list page would be better than the category page? i think more information about each song is needed rather than just the names, which is why i like the anthology page but i do see what Tene is saying about navigation--Wilfio 12:33, 7 July 2008 (BST)

Well, that seems long enough, I think...

Everyone who will vote seems to have voted... so the Anthology it is! (Unless someone wants to appeal their case...?) 7 00:09, 25 June 2008 (BST)

I think 2 days is a little soon. Give it the rest of the week, at least. -frozenjakalope 00:13, 25 June 2008 (BST)

Sure, but it seems to me like everyone who is going to vote already has... 7 04:48, 25 June 2008 (BST)

You haven't even layed out the reason for changing it yet. What advantage does the anthology have for navigation over an alphabetical list? Unreasoned preferences are inconsequential. --Tene 09:01, 25 June 2008 (BST)

The main benefits of the anthology are:

• It doesn't lump all the proper tracks in with the riffs, the old tracks that were played during Battle of the Bands etc. and remixes.
• It's more consistent with the rest of the sidebar, since they all link to proper pages instead of category pages.
• It's simply prettier.

If I missed anything, feel free to append. Now, it'd only be fair if you said why you don't want to change it, I think. -frozenjakalope 12:19, 25 June 2008 (BST)

It's alphabetical and therefore easier to navigate, for both those who have no knowledge of the period in which the song they're navigating to was composed and those who know the song titles well.

How often do people search for songs within a period as opposed to a song by its name? If someone wants to know about a period, then it's quite easy to go to the front page and click on "song anthropology", plus there's a link right at the top of the category page.

Also, when did the rule by majority arrive here and why wasn't I informed? --Tene 12:44, 25 June 2008 (BST)

Adsense on musewiki, yay or nay?

Have your say on the idea of deploying ads on musewiki, more details on the situation can be found at the updates page

Well, I can't say I'm too fond of ads, though so long as ... they're text only, and stay text only; people can block them if they so wish; the money goes into server expenses rather than your back pocket ... that wouldn't be so bad ;) --Tene 22:50, 14 October 2007 (BST)

I say NAY! What's the point? How are ads beneficial for the site? 7 23:57, 18 November 2007 (GMT)

Err...cash? / Time Q 19:19, 23 November 2007 (GMT)

Oh... good point... I SAY YAY! 7 22:11, 23 November 2007 (GMT)

I hate to flip-flop, But after careful consideration, I have changed my mind. I SAY NAY! In truth, ads suck...and they suck bad. I don't want the purity of our wiki to be corrupted by the hydra-headed corporate monster (to put it lightly). But, 'bobbles, (is it OK that I address you so informally?) if you really need the money that badly, then yes. User: 01:40, 26 February 2008 (GMT)

Nah I don't need the money at all, I can't do ads anyway, lets just say somebody made £200 back in the days from crazybobbles.org and was never allowed back into the realms that is adsense la la, but that story is for another day! --crazybobbles 20:32, 27 February 2008 (GMT)

Wanted (psuedo-ToDo) in order of priority

• People to go through gigs that have not happened yet and fill in the gig box, referencing the ticket sale pages. It's a bit late when the gig has passed! **This is particularly suited to those who speak the language of the country the concert takes place in.
• Scans of tickets, old (and new) set lists, preferably with points of reference but also from memory.
  • Badger old-school Muse fans that you know!
• People (especially native speakers of the articles' language) to transcribe - as accurately as possible - written articles/features and audio/video interviews. Of course this goes for English ones too ;)
• Someone (especially of the musically inclined) to go through recordings and suss out differences within songs over time and then writing a clean summary with understandable details on the song pages.
  • These summaries should be under a ====Live==== header
  • The details should be ... detailed ... but also accessible to those who don't understand technobabble.
• Proper articles on each album, a la the Black Holes and Revelations album. This will become easier as more transcriptions are added to our media reference archive.

Suggestions for refining, rewording or adding to this ToDo list are very welcome. I might make this official and make a (somewhat) inconspicuous link to it on the front page if no one objects soon - particularly our resident benevolent dictator. ;) --Tene 02:25, 11 October 2007 (BST)

Sounds like a good idea. I'm glad that this wiki gets edited a bit more often now compared to the last weeks. Let me think about it, maybe I'll come up with some other points. What immediately comes to my mind, however, are small "fun" articles like Ultimate. Isn't there a MediaWiki feature to list the shortest articles? I think we could find quite a few unnecessary articles and such which need rewriting. Oh, and we need a more standard way of presenting information on certain topics. Gig pages are good, so are the album templates, but there are many articles without any concept or categories. I think a goal would be to have a suitable category for every topic (= article). And another point, what about some templates such as "This article needs expansion", "this article contains POV" and such? Okay, maybe we would need more active users for this. / Time Q 21:11, 12 October 2007 (BST)

"Okay, maybe we would need more active users for this": Quite ;) Although a "Pure bullshit" category for the more obvious "humour" wouldn't be such a bad idea. --Tene 22:50, 14 October 2007 (BST)

Using dates/Muse News

Where shall we add Muse news? (Latest News page is for Wiki news, but where Muse News?) Thanks for new Muse Latest News page and Link in Main Menu, if possible. Thanks says 7steffen.

I problem with news is that its not really good for wikis, however, I'm thinking about doing an article for each month so August 2006. This should contain all articles that relate to muse and if they're not article quality, they can simply be added onto the page as news. What does everyone think? --crazybobbles

Right, I'm going to start putting this date thing into play, the way this is going to work is to make sure that every date we use includes the month and year so eventually we can use the "what links here" button to collate each month into a calender type thing if that makes sense. have a look at this months stuff @ September 2006 if you're still a bit confused --crazybobbles 02:35, 6 September 2006 (BST)

Ok, I've had a go with the top bit and it looks ok, but I'm not sure whether this is the best way forward so I'll defintiely need some feedback on the whole idea and all. --crazybobbles 02:46, 6 September 2006 (BST)

Right I've got a feed section going on now, whats left to do is for someone to help style this baby into the main page, I'm going to create a sort of mirror of the main page and lets hope someone can do an awesome redesign of the page. Heres the feed:

<feed items="6" showtitle="false" showdesc="false">http://www.muse.mu/rss.php</feed> --crazybobbles 09:25, 12 May 2007 (BST)

Should there be a rules page for the wiki?

I think its time we should set up a rules and regulations page, dedicated for conventions and stuff people should or should not do. I see Tene is getting quite pissed with people's POV on articles. I agree that this needs to stop as we really dont need it. This also includes the new naming conventions as well.

So lets get the ball rolling

Wiki Rules

Colour coding for template boxes

Right I think there should be different colours for different types of boxes, this will make it much more easier to distinguish and all. I'd like blue to be for songs and green for gigs, not sure about the others, what do you think? --crazybobbles 19:01, 6 September 2006 (BST)

I believe it was green before the disaster ... I'm all for the gigs template being green, it looked good then. --Tene 01:02, 30 October 2006 (GMT)

Good idea, but why do songs, singles, albums, EPs and DVDs have the same colour? Why only gigs have a different colour?

Yeah, I was meaning to get the albumbox converted to discobox and change the colour scheme, right now its Gigs = Green, Songs = Blue and Disco = Purple. Not sure about the purple atm, so feel free to suggest different colours (give html colour codes if possible) --crazybobbles 17:55, 30 October 2006 (GMT)

By the way, this is not exactly about their colour but adding a new box for videos, what do you think? --Susurr0 16:02, 30 October 2006 (UTC+2)

Sounds good, just I'll start one up, but its best to get the fields correct before we start rolling out --crazybobbles 17:55, 30 October 2006 (GMT)

OK, lets see: name, album?, length, year, recorded (when and where?), director, release... what do you think? did I miss something? And a suggestion, if you're going to create the box, I think we should create an article for each video version, because if we don't, how could we put the info for both videos in the box? (sorry if you don't understand me very good)--Susurr0 22:58, 30 October 2006 (UTC+2)

E-mail confirmation required to edit

I just created an account, but when I tried to edit pages, it gave this error message:

E-mail confirmation required to edit (page title)

You must confirm your e-mail address before editing pages. Please set and validate your e-mail address through your user preferences.

Return to MuseWiki.

It's not a big problem, but when registering, some page told me that I didn't need to validate to edit stuff. I clicked the link in the e-mail, and now everything works fine.VDZ 19:37, 4 June 2007 (BST)

& in article title

I just made an article called Mucke & Mehr (online) but there seem to be problems with the '&' in the name. What to do? The text I uploaded to this page (and also to this page) seems to be lost. / Time Q 12:01, 20 June 2007 (BST)

Ampersands on this wiki is a big big no-no. Just use "and" in the title instead. --Tene 17:16, 20 June 2007 (BST)

Okay, thanks for correcting it, didn't know how to do this. / Time Q 17:31, 20 June 2007 (BST)

Recorders

Would anyone object to a section about prominent recorders? I think it would be beneficial, but the idea does seem a bit arse-kissing-y to me. --Tene 20:58, 21 June 2007 (BST)

Naming riffs and jams

Any convention on how jams should be named? For example, there was that jam often played before Sunburn (e.g. Osaka WTC Open Air Stadium 2000 (gig)) now revived. Some of the jams might even deserve their own page, like the Osaka Jam or Jimmy Jam... --Muserwiki 10:30, 20 November 2007 (GMT)

The only way I see of doing that is asking for suggestions on Muselive or another forum. I don't think we should have one page per improvisation, I suggest having them all on one page. --Tene 11:09, 20 November 2007 (GMT)

Gear template

Can anyone more knowledgeable with MediaWiki and wiki syntax create a template for guitars? (much like the ones for gigs) As for the options: wood(s), body covering, pickup(s) (or bridge and neck separate), electronics, and special circuits. --Muserwiki 10:59, 23 November 2007 (GMT)

Ended up doing it myself at Template:Guitarbox. Enjoy. --Muserwiki 04:51, 25 November 2007 (GMT)

Namespace

What do you think of the idea of using namespaces for gigs? So instead of London Earls Court Exhibition Centre 2004 - 20th (gig), it'd be Gig:London Earls Court Exhibition Centre 2004 - 20th. Easier to organize and go through, I don't know about the implementation though (not just naming it with Gig, but having MediaWiki recognize it as a different namespace). --Muserwiki 21:44, 25 November 2007 (GMT)

I'm pretty sure you need to be able to edit the MediaWiki installation itself to implement that, which I can't do. Seems like a good idea though. --Tene 22:00, 25 November 2007 (GMT)

Any idea where crazybobbles is? --Muserwiki 22:46, 25 November 2007 (GMT)

Well, he's still alive. I posted in his shout box on last.fm yesterday but he didn't reply. He replied to someone else's shout though. :P --Tene 22:51, 25 November 2007 (GMT)

Equipment used

Do you think adding "guitar/bass" used for each song in the setlist is going a bit too far? Just a thought. --Muserwiki 23:53, 30 November 2007 (GMT)

I think a simple <br/><small>{{{guit}}}|{{{gpage}}}]][[{{{bass}}}|{{{bpage}}}]]</small> would be best for the template. Once conditionals get installed we could use them. --Tene 07:47, 10 December 2007 (GMT)

Oh and maybe append piano details manually afterwards if a piano was used? Or include that without a link so we can use {{{piano|}}} so it doesn't appear if there's no piano defined. --Tene 07:51, 10 December 2007 (GMT)

I did it like this instead. Most flexible IMO. --Muserwiki 07:54, 10 December 2007 (GMT)

Problem is with that, if we ever decided to improve upon the layout we'd have to go through all the pages to do so. Seperating style/layout from information is generally a good thing. --Tene 07:56, 10 December 2007 (GMT)

That sorta misses the whole point of using this template though... --Muserwiki 08:01, 10 December 2007 (GMT)

Why? Templates are so that the information is adaptable and the style doesn't need re-writing every time. Please take a look at Template:GUexp and comment on it. It's much simpler than my earlier proposal. --Tene 08:12, 10 December 2007 (GMT)

I suppose this could work if we, at some point, decide to have different colors for different gear or something... Dunno, just seems like a lot of work, and harder to apply each time without referring to examples. --Muserwiki 08:15, 10 December 2007 (GMT)

(edit: also, less intuitive when it comes to adding commas, notes, and stuff... --Muserwiki 08:19, 10 December 2007 (GMT))

Commas can't be included with the template until we get conditionals. --Muserwiki 08:20, 10 December 2007 (GMT)

Yeah I think due to that it would do more harm than good (we'd end up with extraneous commas when commas are added to the template). When we get the extension installed we can work some wizadry then. At that time, we can use an #if, print the new template if any of the vars are defined else print the old template. --Tene 08:52, 10 December 2007 (GMT)

So, we use Template:GU for now? --Muserwiki 09:05, 10 December 2007 (GMT)

Yeah. Btw, does the version with superscript look better to you? --Tene 09:08, 10 December 2007 (GMT)

Hmm, too much spacing? Since it is done in templates, we could always control the margin size on the <small> tag instead. --Muserwiki 09:15, 10 December 2007 (GMT)

Nevermind about 'too much spacing' comment, I just realized it's the same spacing, just closer to the song name. Margin size comment stays though. --Muserwiki 09:20, 10 December 2007 (GMT)

Which margin? Bottom? I thought the disproportionally large bottom margin made it more readable... ---Tene 09:23, 10 December 2007 (GMT)

I was thinking the margin after the equipments was slightly too large, but seeing it again, it looks alright. Either it's good, or I just gotten used to it :D. --Muserwiki 09:29, 10 December 2007 (GMT)

Different logo

Did anybody else notice that OOS (and its singles/EPs) has a different Muse logo from most instances? Do we have any other instances like that we could maybe note? (one I can think about at the moment is the proper release of Random 1-8) --Muserwiki 21:53, 16 December 2007 (GMT)

New category

How's the idea of having a category named "People"? Makes searching for people easier imo. --Muserwiki 02:50, 23 December 2007 (GMT)

I have no preference, but do we really have enough articles about people to make it useful? --Tene 10:15, 24 December 2007 (GMT)

Anti-waffle brigade

I came across this "Simple English Campaign". I've found it of use, there are simple alternatives I hadn't even thought about in years. :P Their alternative words list might help us avoid adding opinion, unnecessary waffle or just going up our own proverbial arses. Pardon my French. --Tene 10:15, 24 December 2007 (GMT)

Decluttered discobox test alert

See Uno (single).

• Does it work in your browser
• Does it look good
• Is it intuitive

It works in Webkit, KHTML and Gecko (Firefox), if someone with IE6 &/or 7 could take a look, that'd be grand. --Tene 19:05, 25 January 2008 (GMT)

IE7 works fine! User: 02:35, 26 January 2008 (GMT)

Good, thank you. Now all that's needed is confirmation that the text still shows in IE6. --Tene 11:14, 26 January 2008 (GMT)

If we get the conditionals installed we could do something like this included in the template:

<!--[if lt IE 7]>

HovStatus(HovEffect)
hov = document.getElementByClass("col");
hov.firstChild.style.display = HovEffect;
<![endif]-->

<!--[if lt IE 7]>onmouseover="HovStatus('inline')<![endif]-->

for IE6. Until then it'd just display inline all the time. The conditionals would be needed to make a template for the whole thing, not for that IE specific code. --Tene 14:56, 26 January 2008 (GMT)

I personally don't think hovers are a good idea, the fancy one's use the :hover css and allow a bit of time to go back, I think a better idea would be to stick to collapsible tables to store additional information since click on something to show additional information is a better method. --crazybobbles 15:26, 26 January 2008 (GMT)

Well in that case at least make sure the default (if the browser has JS disabled) is uncollapsed. tsk tsk I hate JS --Tene 15:35, 26 January 2008 (GMT)

Hm, there's something strange here. When client CSS is disabled, the collapsible tables appear in plain text, but when CSS is enabled, it's permanently collapsed? It should use javascript to make it collapsed to begin with. Any idea how to do that? The code in Commons.js is huge. --Tene 16:26, 26 January 2008 (GMT)

It stopped working, along with all the previous versions. sorry. User: 19:43, 26 January 2008 (GMT)

Can you check whether it's working again now please? --Tene 19:48, 26 January 2008 (GMT)

Ooh... sory for the late reply... It works fine now, thanks! ...But the tabs at the top of all of the pages (article, talk, edit, history...) have gone blank (all I see is the text and the colored outline)... probably unrelated, but I just wanted to make sure it was known. User: 21:03, 26 January 2008 (GMT)

Try a hard refresh. Ctrl+Shift+R I think. --Tene 21:16, 26 January 2008 (GMT)

It works! Thanks! User: 21:20, 26 January 2008 (GMT)

One minor fault in IE7, just asthaetic, the revelead text variably has bullet points (or half bullet points :S) in the adjacent column of the table. And the main page doesn't display right in Opera, the Muse in the news and other boxes have been shifted below the images. ۞ 22:45, 26 January 2008 (GMT)

Any better now? Otherwise I've no idea. I really, really hate IE. --Tene 22:52, 26 January 2008 (GMT)

No change...maybe a subtle link to Firefox on the main page will do. ۞ 23:58, 26 January 2008 (GMT)

That would be a good idea regardless. But I changed list-style to list-style-type, does that seem to work in IE7? I'm off for the night anyway. --Tene 00:11, 27 January 2008 (GMT)

Uno single, Main page, and BHAR TEST A on IE7. Z 05:53, 27 January 2008 (GMT)

Uno single on IE6. Z 00:21, 28 January 2008 (GMT)

"This Week in Muse History" Section

Seems like too much of an unnecessary bother. As the idiot who hatched this idea, I vote against it, but I'd like to know the opinion of others. User: 02:45, 26 January 2008 (GMT)

I vote against it too tbh, anything that requires weekly labour is a bad idea haha. I suppose it would be a good idea to change it to month and perhaps have a months page so things are easy to collate in future (so you only need to do this 12 times and the next year you just add new stuff in). There is a lot of potential for something awesome to happen here but it's probably going to take more effort than it's worth.

My suggest would be to have a "did you know" section, we can easily make use of the random function and just write quite a lot of trivial about the band that would prove useful for everyone. That way not only is it ever changing, it's self managed AND would be a good idea to promote other pages. --crazybobbles 13:31, 26 January 2008 (GMT)

Sounds good. User:7/Main Page Project can be used a testing ground. User: 19:28, 26 January 2008 (GMT)

Whoa!!!

I'm not sure if it's just the pure terribleness of IE, but the logo has disappeared except for "MuseWiki" and "BETA". User: 03:03, 4 February 2008 (GMT)

Yup, i removed it, kinda got extremely sick of the icon so I ditched it and stuck with the text and beta sign. Thought it looked quite cool now tbh, but yeah, still kinda in limbo of what to logoerise the site as. these things are tough :( --crazybobbles 20:29, 4 February 2008 (GMT)

Flushing image thumbnail caches

Anyone here know how to do it? --Tene 22:21, 6 February 2008 (GMT)

Parser functions and drop down template

Thanks to Crazybobbles, parser functions are now installed. Take a look here if you're interested. Feel free to adapt templates and make more using said functions.

Also, I wrote Template:Drop, for drop downs. Plus cite has been merged and Template:GU can be used in a more dynamic fashion, all making use of the parser funcions. --Tene 09:15, 11 February 2008 (GMT)

Elegance

We really need to brainstorm how to make everything neater. Looking at pages (whilst editing) is just hurting my head. --Tene 09:41, 11 February 2008 (GMT)

Gear

Don't all (or most) of the members play synthesizers? --Stefán Örvarr Sigmundsson 04:31, 25 March 2008 (GMT)

The video nav is brokeded

It goes Starlight then Knights then Starlight in a never ending loop that never reaches Invincible. Help? Neon-Symmetry 21:31, 14 April 2008 (BST)

Un-brokeded! 7 00:14, 15 April 2008 (BST)

Tabs

Personally, I find Tablature horrible to navigate as one large alphabetical list, so I came up with an alternative largely based on the singles section of the discography. It can be seen here. What does everyone think? -frozenjakalope 12:53, 29 April 2008 (BST)

Subtemplate convention

Currently the de-facto way of laying subtemplates is as so:

{{template
|var1
|var2
|var3
{{subtemplate
|var1
|var2
|var3
}}
}}

Which, to me, is a bit difficult to read, especially with complex layouts such as those in discography box templates. Take a look at the source of this page as an example.

So, I have a couple of alternative options that I'd appreciate comments on.

{{template
|var1
|var2
|var3
{{subtemplate|
var1|
var2|
var3
}}
}}

...and...

{{template
|var1
|var2
|var3{{subtemplate|
var1|
var2|
var3}}
}}

Which is most readable, the original, the first suggestion or the second suggestion?

If either of the latter two are preferable, what should be done with sub-sub templates? Alternate between the pipe character being at the beginning and end, or have all sub-levels with it at the end? --Tene 20:48, 17 May 2008 (BST)

Personally, I find the first one easier to read. -frozenjakalope 01:34, 18 May 2008 (BST)

Ah!? What is THAT?!?!

I was about to edit my stalklist when a peculliar advertisement slapped me in the face! What's this about "Bay area Wikipedians"??? seems like some Wikipedia advertisements have leaked their way onto MuseWiki!!! I checked with another site that's also "powered by MediaWiki" (as I suspected was the problem) and the ad was absent... so what's the matter? Is MuseWiki being encroached upon by Wikipedian spies?

(It would be beneficial to check other sites that are "powered by MediaWiki" for the same problem to see if the problem is local, and your own stalklist pages to make sure I'm not going bonkers)

7 02:44, 28 May 2008 (BST)

Audio preview thingies

Perhaps we should switch to OGG Vorbis so as to take advantage of HTML5 audio and video? Obviously, it wouldn't be that simple, but as an idea: comments? --Tene 07:39, 18 July 2009 (BST)

The lack of support in IE8 would be a problem, no? -frozenjakalope 09:57, 18 July 2009 (BST)

Mm, perhaps falling back with some IE ifdef hackery to the current system would be apt ... I believe the other major browsers do support it, that is Chrome, Opera and Safari. --Tene 10:01, 18 July 2009 (BST)