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I think the solo on the recording is mostly fuzz factory squeals that can't really be tabbed, maybe this should be replaced by a tab for the solo Matt usually plays live (i.e. on Hullabaloo)? [[User:Dyingatheist|Dyingatheist]] 20:24, 6 August 2009 (UTC) | I think the solo on the recording is mostly fuzz factory squeals that can't really be tabbed, maybe this should be replaced by a tab for the solo Matt usually plays live (i.e. on Hullabaloo)? [[User:Dyingatheist|Dyingatheist]] 20:24, 6 August 2009 (UTC) | ||
:No, it's not a fuzz, it's a lot of bends, and at the end he uses a whammy pedal. -[[User:Frozenjakalope|frozenjakalope]] 22:26, 6 August 2009 (BST) | :No, it's not a fuzz, it's a lot of bends, and at the end he uses a whammy pedal. -[[User:Frozenjakalope|frozenjakalope]] 22:26, 6 August 2009 (BST) | ||
::I'm not so sure, it really sounds like a lot of the sounds are being made using the compression and stability controls on the Fuzz Factory, especially the parts with long glissandos and the section where it goes high and cuts out briefly, which wouldn't be the case with a Whammy pedal. That part's pretty obviously done using the stability control, and the nasally, fuzzy tone and note continuity strongly suggest Fuzz Factory self-oscillation. There are a few parts that are played on guitar (like between 4:13 and 4:20 or so), but the majority sounds like it's done using the Fuzz Factory knobs (compare for example with the guitar part played along with the Drum and Bass jam at TCT 2008). --[[User:Dyingatheist|Dyingatheist]] 22:42, 6 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
:::I see your point, but I still don't think it's a Fuzz Factory. To me, from 4:13, it sounds like he does a series of tremolo notes, then slams on the whammy, mutes the string, does a few more bends, then there's that series of four notes, where he holds the last bend, then the whammy just goes on-off-on-off and then it's the chorus. -[[User:Frozenjakalope|frozenjakalope]] 23:50, 6 August 2009 (BST) | |||
::::I think you're definitely right about the notes from 4:13, but to me the one part after that still sounds more like the stability knob being turned all the way clockwise, based on the sort of very high-pitched squeak and non-linear ascent that can be heard right before the sound cuts out, which is characteristic of that control and which wouldn't be heard by just muting the strings. It could be Whammy in parts, but I think when compared with examples like Matt's live intro to Plug in Baby or the background of Hyper Chondriac Music, it's likely knob-tweaking for most of the solo. But I've been wrong before, so it could be Whammy moving about within the octave range rather than straight to the endpoints. --[[User:Dyingatheist|Dyingatheist]] 23:14, 6 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
:::::I think it's a moot point, really, anyway. The solo tabbed here is wrong in either case, and if you can tab the live solo, it'd be a great addition to the page. I would suggest, though, using the solo from Earl's Court 2004, the one from Hullabaloo pales in comparison to it. When I've got a whammy to hand, I'll play around with that and my Fuzz Factory and try to work out what he does in the studio version, and we'll have them both on here. -[[User:Frozenjakalope|frozenjakalope]] 00:20, 7 August 2009 (BST) | |||
::::::That'd probably be best, I just referred to the Hullabaloo one since it's on an album, but the Earl's Court solo would be better. --[[User:Dyingatheist|Dyingatheist]] 00:56, 7 August 2009 (UTC) | |||
I see that on the tab it says EADGBe but in the box at the top it says AADDGBe. - [[User:Danooch|Danooch]] | |||
:The box at the top says standard or AADDGBe depending on whether it's studio or not. The tab is for the studio version, and so is in standard, which is EADGBe -[[User:Frozenjakalope|frozenjakalope]] 19:12, 20 December 2009 (GMT) | |||
Latest revision as of 19:12, 20 December 2009
Scan from a tab book Neon-Symmetry 00:02, 15 October 2007 (BST)
I think the solo on the recording is mostly fuzz factory squeals that can't really be tabbed, maybe this should be replaced by a tab for the solo Matt usually plays live (i.e. on Hullabaloo)? Dyingatheist 20:24, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- No, it's not a fuzz, it's a lot of bends, and at the end he uses a whammy pedal. -frozenjakalope 22:26, 6 August 2009 (BST)
- I'm not so sure, it really sounds like a lot of the sounds are being made using the compression and stability controls on the Fuzz Factory, especially the parts with long glissandos and the section where it goes high and cuts out briefly, which wouldn't be the case with a Whammy pedal. That part's pretty obviously done using the stability control, and the nasally, fuzzy tone and note continuity strongly suggest Fuzz Factory self-oscillation. There are a few parts that are played on guitar (like between 4:13 and 4:20 or so), but the majority sounds like it's done using the Fuzz Factory knobs (compare for example with the guitar part played along with the Drum and Bass jam at TCT 2008). --Dyingatheist 22:42, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- I see your point, but I still don't think it's a Fuzz Factory. To me, from 4:13, it sounds like he does a series of tremolo notes, then slams on the whammy, mutes the string, does a few more bends, then there's that series of four notes, where he holds the last bend, then the whammy just goes on-off-on-off and then it's the chorus. -frozenjakalope 23:50, 6 August 2009 (BST)
- I think you're definitely right about the notes from 4:13, but to me the one part after that still sounds more like the stability knob being turned all the way clockwise, based on the sort of very high-pitched squeak and non-linear ascent that can be heard right before the sound cuts out, which is characteristic of that control and which wouldn't be heard by just muting the strings. It could be Whammy in parts, but I think when compared with examples like Matt's live intro to Plug in Baby or the background of Hyper Chondriac Music, it's likely knob-tweaking for most of the solo. But I've been wrong before, so it could be Whammy moving about within the octave range rather than straight to the endpoints. --Dyingatheist 23:14, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- I think it's a moot point, really, anyway. The solo tabbed here is wrong in either case, and if you can tab the live solo, it'd be a great addition to the page. I would suggest, though, using the solo from Earl's Court 2004, the one from Hullabaloo pales in comparison to it. When I've got a whammy to hand, I'll play around with that and my Fuzz Factory and try to work out what he does in the studio version, and we'll have them both on here. -frozenjakalope 00:20, 7 August 2009 (BST)
- That'd probably be best, I just referred to the Hullabaloo one since it's on an album, but the Earl's Court solo would be better. --Dyingatheist 00:56, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
- I think it's a moot point, really, anyway. The solo tabbed here is wrong in either case, and if you can tab the live solo, it'd be a great addition to the page. I would suggest, though, using the solo from Earl's Court 2004, the one from Hullabaloo pales in comparison to it. When I've got a whammy to hand, I'll play around with that and my Fuzz Factory and try to work out what he does in the studio version, and we'll have them both on here. -frozenjakalope 00:20, 7 August 2009 (BST)
- I think you're definitely right about the notes from 4:13, but to me the one part after that still sounds more like the stability knob being turned all the way clockwise, based on the sort of very high-pitched squeak and non-linear ascent that can be heard right before the sound cuts out, which is characteristic of that control and which wouldn't be heard by just muting the strings. It could be Whammy in parts, but I think when compared with examples like Matt's live intro to Plug in Baby or the background of Hyper Chondriac Music, it's likely knob-tweaking for most of the solo. But I've been wrong before, so it could be Whammy moving about within the octave range rather than straight to the endpoints. --Dyingatheist 23:14, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
- I see your point, but I still don't think it's a Fuzz Factory. To me, from 4:13, it sounds like he does a series of tremolo notes, then slams on the whammy, mutes the string, does a few more bends, then there's that series of four notes, where he holds the last bend, then the whammy just goes on-off-on-off and then it's the chorus. -frozenjakalope 23:50, 6 August 2009 (BST)
- I'm not so sure, it really sounds like a lot of the sounds are being made using the compression and stability controls on the Fuzz Factory, especially the parts with long glissandos and the section where it goes high and cuts out briefly, which wouldn't be the case with a Whammy pedal. That part's pretty obviously done using the stability control, and the nasally, fuzzy tone and note continuity strongly suggest Fuzz Factory self-oscillation. There are a few parts that are played on guitar (like between 4:13 and 4:20 or so), but the majority sounds like it's done using the Fuzz Factory knobs (compare for example with the guitar part played along with the Drum and Bass jam at TCT 2008). --Dyingatheist 22:42, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
I see that on the tab it says EADGBe but in the box at the top it says AADDGBe. - Danooch
- The box at the top says standard or AADDGBe depending on whether it's studio or not. The tab is for the studio version, and so is in standard, which is EADGBe -frozenjakalope 19:12, 20 December 2009 (GMT)